Ron
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| | 10/05/09 at 05:08 PM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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Well as the title of the thread states this has happened. Fines of $1000.00 to $5000.00 are involved and have been handed out. Follow this LINK to a PDR forum I belong to and read what these guys have to say.
The NAPDRT is in the heat of battle over this and needs help from as many PDR techs as possible in NJ.
This will affect any recon / detail shops that don't have a Body Shop license as well and could spread to other States in the future if it's not stopped here.
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AutoDetailingNetwork
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| | 10/06/09 at 08:05 AM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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Ron,
Thanks for sharing this info. Seems this could have a huge impact on those that provide PDR services on a Mobile basis.
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WorldFamousSuperiorShine
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| | 10/06/09 at 09:20 AM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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I don't see a problem with it. Most mobile guys fly under the radar so this action would force those that do it to be legitimate.
I'd love to have something like that here for mobile auto detailers. As it is now they are like ants running a muck with no enforcement what so ever.
As a used auto dealer we have to have a fixed location even if we sale online.
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Ron
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| | 10/06/09 at 10:21 AM | Reply with quote | #4 |
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This law afects more then just PDR. It affects Mobile Glass replacement, bumper repair, wheel repair, and touch-up companys.
NAPDRT is going to the State Capital to fight this.
(Insert Violin Solo Here)
Joe. If this law were to include mobile detailing it would put you out of business as well.
It doesn't see any difference between legit company's and non legit one's.
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RennyDoyle
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| | 10/06/09 at 11:07 AM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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I have looked into this a tad deeper and this is a dangerous situation for all of us and as you noted Ron, it has nothing to do with the legitimacy of your operation as its blanketing all mobile operators regardless of your level of professionalism.
Hey Bud...you guys looking into this...if you review the past...when NJ or Calif takes actions..other states have been known to follow...this needs to be watched!
If you are mobile...this could put you out of business...legitimate or not...the mobile tech could pay a huge price...so I will have my eyes wide open on this one and I hope others will also.
Thanks Ron for the post,
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WorldFamousSuperiorShine
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| | 10/06/09 at 12:14 PM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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Maybe I don't fully understand what is involved here.
What I understand is that a mobile business is required to have a shop (fixed location) so they will be able to obtain a "body shop license."
I maybe missing something but how will that put a mobile business out of business?
Can't a mobile biz partner with a current bodyshop and get licensed? Or the mobile biz rent a hole in the wall for the address and licesing requirments?
Believe me I hate big government and DO think the law is bad. I don't believe it is the end of mobile businesses.
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| | 10/06/09 at 01:11 PM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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I would venture to guess that the Autobody Association (lobby) is responsible for getting these laws enacted, because PDR and mobile paint touch up and bumper painting have made a serious impact on their business. NAPDRT should enlist to lobby on their behalf , car dealers, insurance companies and all involved in cosmetic rejuvenation of vehicles. I believe N.J has a law that everyone has a right to have a job to the extent gas stations are forced to hire people to pump gas (as you are not allowed to do it on your own) so why shouldn't PDR technicians have the right to have a job.. PDR is more eco-friendly, less voc emitted, less parts dumped etc.
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Ron
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| | 10/06/09 at 01:27 PM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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Gina,
Your correct about the auto Body Association. So If this can be done to these people through this org. Then the owners of fixed location car washes could just as easily come together and some how get a law passed that prohibits mobile car washing and detailing. Eco friendly legit or not. Plain and simple black and white.
The car wash industry is alot more organized then the mobile recon / detailing industry is. Us here who participate on this forum are just the tip of the iceberg of guys that are out there. Do we all agree and get along. No! To me it's more ego then business in this type of business.
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RennyDoyle
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| | 10/06/09 at 02:07 PM | Reply with quote | #9 |
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Many great points and I love Gina's explanation and again Ron's points. This subject has some teeth and is bigger then us...bigger and I am guessing well funded and backed and I hope that the NAPDRT is all over it and I hope the IDA jumps on this and offers support in some form to combat this action!
Joe, I for one am not saying it could end mobile work, but I am saying that it will make the "bugs" of the industry cause trouble for all of us that are legitimate. Times are tough enough and this could be the final blow to some that are already struggling to survive.
Many are doing all they can to survive and some have lost everything, others have been close to the end and some have figured out a line that is allowing them to still manage to grow but can you imagine facing a situation like this that could drive up your expenses all while you are trying to survive? Not good...period.
I simply think this deal smells foul and needs to be stomped out before it gains wings and spreads.
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Atomic
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| | 10/06/09 at 05:07 PM | Reply with quote | #10 |
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While this sucks for the exclusively mobile guys, I also feel that this could actually benefit the legit ones. So big deal, you'll have to get a fixed location. One the other hand, you wouldn't have to compete with joe blow up the street who is undercutting everyone. Plus you can still do PDR and touch up mobile.
I wish something like this would come to Maryland and cover detailing as well. Everyone is undercutting here to compete and it's really hurting us legits.
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Atomic
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| | 10/06/09 at 05:12 PM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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In addition, by getting rid of non-legits this way, it allows mobile operators for every kind of service to compete with companies that don't have to undercut prices to survive... in other words, everyone doesn't have to kill themselves to comptee with others.
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RennyDoyle
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| | 10/06/09 at 05:37 PM | Reply with quote | #12 |
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Maybe I am reading more into this then one should as I can not see the rosy side to this and I am by nature a very optimistic soul.
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WorldFamousSuperiorShine
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| | 10/06/09 at 05:49 PM | Reply with quote | #13 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Atomic
While this sucks for the exclusively mobile guys, I also feel that this could actually benefit the legit ones. So big deal, you'll have to get a fixed location. One the other hand, you wouldn't have to compete with joe blow up the street who is undercutting everyone. Plus you can still do PDR and touch up mobile.
I wish something like this would come to Maryland and cover detailing as well. Everyone is undercutting here to compete and it's really hurting us legits.
Somebody understands me!
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Atomic
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| | 10/06/09 at 09:32 PM | Reply with quote | #14 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by RennyDoyle
Maybe I am reading more into this then one should as I can not see the rosy side to this and I am by nature a very optimistic soul.
Renny, I just think this means different things to different people depending on where you are geographically located. In my area and I am sure in many other areas, we are having a big problem with legitimacy. Many businesses are flying under the radar and therefore cause so many problems, that many states have no reason, but to make strict laws to flush out these problems.
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RennyDoyle
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| | 10/07/09 at 07:16 AM | Reply with quote | #15 |
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Nice way of putting it David. I guess the thing I am concerned with is the elimination of "mobile guys" that are doing things right.
The bugs (bottom feeders) of detailing are everywhere right now...I have not heard of a single market that is not witnessing what markets like yours and others are.
For instance, Las Vegas is covered with the give it away, water and junk all over the place operators yet there are shops that are not concerned or effected due to their pointed marketing.
Like you noted David, this subject is a hot button for different reasons to different people. I do think that some type of regulation could be good but I hope people don't think that regulations such as this will stop the scum detailers...they are already breaking the rules and regulations...and they won't let something like this stop them unless they get nailed. Who will nail them...and will that state. county and city really maintain the rules...good luck catching them...this groups are already taxed.
Back in the early 90's I owned a window covering business and we also installed window film within residential and commercial settings. The state of California made us gain our contractors license as a way to curve illegal operators. (and I am sure gain the taxes from us)
At that time, I was one of the first to get my General Contractors license in our area and had the belief that life for all of us legitimate operators would change and be better.
All that change was the fact that I had more expense in maintaining my license, my insurance went up and the under the wire guys not only beat the system in many cases...there were more of them then ever before! So I guess I am a tad worried of a repeat of that situation. Joe...So Cal has the issues you speak of in several industries and its the wild west there right now and I would not hold much hope that this will change much in the near future...just keep doing what you are doing and as we have talked about before...follow the money and those that desire quality in the work and a relationship with those they do business with...you will win most relationship based battles simple for who you are!
Thanks for the level headed/professional response David!
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